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The company who currently sells the ad space for NWR has stated that we can no longer opt out of their pop-up banner campaigns, and that tomorrow (how nice of them to give no notice), they will be switching pop-ups on.

I will not have pop-ups and unders on the NWR account, as I have already dealt with lowsy applications and miss-representative ads in inappropriate places, not to mention 2-3 pop-ups per page.  At that time they said they couldn't do anything to control frequency, or which ads would appear, I could only opt out, and take a cut in the income.  So I opted out.

Well, now they say pop-ups, or nothing.  So, NWR has lost 1/4 of its income.  If you know of anyone who would like to place ads directly on NWR, let me know, there will be a ton of spots open.  Otherwise, I'm going to have to shut down all free users as they will no longer be covered even partially by advertising.

Ad rates are cheap, we're not here to make a million, just survive.  Let me know,

waldo@nowhereradio.com

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I am signing off for the night, as I have a couple early morning service calls tomorrow to make some food money.  I'll be back online around 6 or 7PM MST.

Bastards... once again, corporate greed is the source of opression...
First question: If free users are eliminated from NWR, approximately how many artists will be remaining in its' catalogue? Won't that decrease the likelihood of drawing consumers to the site? I mean, there's some pretty harsh competition out there, at the moment...
Second question: is there some way NWR can merge, with other existing services, as a means of deferring expenses? True, it may become a whole lot less independent, as a result of a move like that, but if it's sink or swim time, I'd rather have NoWhere exist SOMEWHERE, than not at all... I don't think I'm alone, in harboring the opinion that a majority of indie acts are more interested in exposure, and what the web can do for their promotion, than they are in the purity of intent in the server itself. In other words... if a compromise of some kind is inevitable anyway, it might be advantageous to be in a position to choose the poison.
Just some thoughts... G.

Hi Waldo

Sorry I haven't been around here much recently. Thanks for inviting me over. The new messageboard looks great and it has to be said it will look so much better without pop-up ads. Best of luck finding sponsors. I'll check back in later on and take a better look around
[flash=468,60]http://jezaland.users.btopenworld.com//Flash/takemebanner.swf[/flash]
Best regards
Jeza

Hmm yeah.  That really sucks.  An alternate solution should be sought after however, because IMHO the day Nowhere shuts down it's free users is the day Nowhereradio turns way of the MP3/independent music predecessors and flushes itself down the metaphorical toilet.  A sticky predicament without a doubt.

That sucks, Waldo. Sorry to hear about your add/income woes.

Just an observation here:
I guess there aren't many "free lunches" left; which is understandable I guess, considering that running a site like this costs money.
It gets to be a sticky situation though, as the artists provide the content of a music site. Charging artists to host thier tunes smacks of "pay to play," a concept that I've always loathed. I've seen a lot of music sites crash and burn in a relatively short time though, including several internet radio stations that were pretty good.
IUMA went under and was bought out by Vitaminic, as most of you know - now support is like, zilch. The stats haven't even worked in over a year, so I don't even know the effectiveness of posting my tunes there... not to mention that Vitaminic now has my music posted in several European languages... not sure how I feel about that, though I'm sure I agreed to something along the way allowing it. At least they've sent me a check for my earnings...
Artistlaunch started as a freebie, then started a subscription fee - only two tunes to the mp3 leech like myself. I could deal, but just this week I received an e-mail saying that number was being cut to one tune...
Mp3.com? Enuff said... once a content provider, now I'm a second-class citizen. I'm not gonna wait two weeks for a tune to be "approved" there. It's a shame.
There is absolutely NO excuse for the big guys to gouge an artist like, for $28 a month?!?!? For a small site like this though, fiscal realities may dictate a fee...
Anyway Waldo, this little rant isn't directed towards you in any way. I understand how much you've invested and sacrificed to remain open for business.
If I were to lay out cash for hosting anywhere, it would be here.
Good luck with this latest bullshit.

"Bullnuts?" I've never said "bullnuts" in my life!!!  
That's funny dude!

Um, hey... how much is a banner ad anyway?

I can't believe everyone's whining about the small fee that Waldo charges for his so very valuable service. Folks.......it's $27.50 [i]a year.[/i] Now I agree with gbrogan that $28 a month is more than I would pay, but $27.50 a year? Com'n. And you don't get the service you get from Waldo from anyone else. I've never had a single question or problem that he took over an hour to get back to me. Try that with Mp3.crap. Waldo isn't some buisiness bastard buying yachts off the backs of starving artists. He's a starving artist himself and he's just asking us to help out enough so this site doesn't destroy him financially.
I've paid and I don't ever pay for anything at an  internet site. But I've paid this because 1. [i]IT'S CHEAP![/i] and 2. I'm convinced that Waldo is a good guy.
  So everyone ante up just a bit and help out. Buy two less pizzas this month and you're set for a year. And how much are banner ads anyway Waldo? The way things are going I might be able to make a few ducats as a sax internet-session man.

I don't got much time, just waiting for my bus to take me to work.  Y'all were asking about ad rates:

$25USD/mo. min. for 468x60 banner ads, CPM and CPC rates will change as more ads are set up, so for the first few months I will leave it at $25USD/mo.

If we cut out all the free users, it will seriously damage traffic.

More later.

Popups are a great big pain in the situpon.  They've installed them over at Yahoo games, which used to be free (and still is, if you don't mind the popups).  But if you pay their subscription fee, you don't get popups.  Ask me how I feel about that, about an outfit as big as Yahoo charging me money not to be irritated by popups.

Okay, rant's done.  Here are some points:

1  I understand that it costs money to get things done on a regular basis at a decent level of quality, and that I shouldn't expect things for free.  But how does homerecording.com get by without popups or required user fees?  Inquiring minds want to know.  Well, this one does, anyway.

2  The subscription fee on this site here is r-e-a-l-l-y reasonable.

3  Possibly stupid idea: post a link on this site to a free popup killer download site.  Let 'em run their popups.  Bastards.

Dobro, great minds think alike. The pop-up killer was exactly what I was thinking.

Man oh man,

ive got a twelver in me but here goes,

For everything i hate about mp3.cum Waldo has made up for ten fold.

Just today i was checking out my bands old shit on our  mp3 site, and i got a god damned coke ad followed me all the way down the fucking screen. I  tried  to back page and a fucking ad  for some shit dvd i will never watch was in my face.
( i know this sounds corney), but What kind of "artist" with true integrity wants their  inner thoughts , pain, or enlightenment to sell fucking bullshit like that?

There have been a couple of glitches with my  NWR account and  Waldo has been right on top of  it.
At mp3 I registered bands ive been in ,or recorded  and have NO idea what ever happened to any of it. It said  it was going to a  review board. Review board? I dont need a  fucking review board. Just let me post my work.

I thought Waldos 10 mb free was verry generous and to show my thanks i bought space.
I dont want to see pop ups. I dont want music to sell me anything. Make yer fucking music and let people listen and enjoy it.....hastle free.
What a hard concept.

NWR is run by a man that works his ass off to make sure anyone who posts or listens here doesnt have to  deal with all the bullshit.

drunken rant ended.......................but not the drinkin'

rodvonbon

HAHAHAHAHAHHA,

Thats not the picture i was trying to post.
Thats me and my wife!!!!
I cant seem to change it , oh well.

rodvonbon

And i have never used the term "bullnuts" in my life!

Selling music ad space may be the answer. I would rather see music ad's, than spy camera pop up's.  I would be willing to pay $50.00 for a BIA Banner that sent people to our BIA HUB site. Maybe bands would want to pay a few bucks(dollars) and buy some exposure.