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Alright everybody, here's your chance.

NWR is going to undergo a complete back-end re-write (yes I know, AGAIN), and will have a new look in a few months as well.

Why, you ask, things that are here work already!?  Well it's simple, shaving costs, and improving efficiency will be a much needed advantage to have, in order to survive, and to grow.  Adding new features as well, require a few things changed, and it's better to start afresh, to whipe out old folleys from the past.

So, what input is needed?  Simple, what features do you want to see, what tools do you need, what services would you pay for?  Speak now, or forever hold your peace, since if you don't speak up now, it may not be possible to integrate what you ask for until a much later date.

Start typing, it's up to you to keep NWR to your liking!

(p.s. while you will see a few changes over time, the major changes will occur when the new system is complete, which could take several months)

Hi W, long time no see. I just use NWR to post tunes to share with others and as a convienient place to get imput from the mixing clinic members. I always have been willing to pay the going rate for the privilige of having my files uploaded in real time and not having to go through a screening process which can take days. My saying is usually "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" so with that thought in mind, I can only hope that whatever changes you have in mind, the core concept of this site is not lost in the improvements. I trust your judgement. Good luck and be well, Dave (Charvster)

-it could be nice to have a different layout, with a differentiation between listener and musician access right on the page, and to have always the same menus. Like when I am logged I see my name at the right but it's not much of a "flag" to let me know.
- it would be cool if it could tell the % of files uploaded.
- statistics about what's people listening right on the home page.
- the collaboration idea.
- the singles and albums tab could be more explicit, cause when you're there it looks (to me) like you have no singles while you really have.

- also: when you search sometimes it says that there are x results, but lets you see less than x.

Hope it helps. Cheers, Andrés

Charvster, that much will remain the same, with maybe a little more flexibility, if Dragon would return my e-mails!

cordura, I have a feeling the first point has to do with the forums.  Forums will be completely modified in the new version.

% of files uploaded CANNOT be done unfortuneatly from a browser.  Some browsers have that facility built into them, but there is no way for a server recieving the file to send back any feedback until the file is completely recieved.  I may create an upload application that you install on your machine that will have such a feature in the future, but it's a ways off.  

The remainder of the items are on the list!

Hey Waldo -- This is such a great site already, but I guess change is always gonna happen no matter what.

One thing that I would like to see changed may be the way that a user actually goes about listening to the songs.  Maybe some written instructions, or have the icons (the hi-fi, lo-fi, download icon) there with a bit of text which says "hi-fi" "Lo-Fi" and "Download" next to it.  Also making these bigger, or more visible may help the average user who isn't computer saavy to figure out how to listen to a song.  I only say this because sometimes when I send my link to friends, etc., they can't figure it out...

Just my $.02...otherwise, excellent just the way it is.

Take care.

Waldo,
You may change what you need to stay competitive.
While I am a new user, I find your site the best in its class. If something can be changed to help save a buck.........have at it!

Also, I find the fact that you provide this level of service at NO cost to be a fantastic deal. I think anyone who posts material should kick in something. Having said that I posted my first tune here a few weeks ago and haven't kicked anything to the cause yet. Frankly that makes me a hypocrite!  Actually I have some stuff ending on ebay in a day or 2 that should place enough coin in my Paypal to buy the infinite(within reason) package.  People come here and listen, or download indie music, and that is great! If people come here and post, they should contribute SOMETHING. I am sure this has crossed your mind, and I am also sure it is an agonizing decision. The site is something you obviously do for love of music, this is admirable but don't think that doing something to broaden the expense load would be bad.

I am pleased to have the opportunity to post my tunes here and I intend to contribute so the opportunity stays here for a long time!

I call on everyone to do the same.

Thanks for the chance!
Joel Mislang

I don't the extra click one needs to do to get to the list of songs. Why not one click and then a list of singles and albums on the same page?

In my case I only have singles and it seems clumsy to have to click Discography, then Singles, and finally get to the list of songs.

I think the word "Discography" is a perhaps bit arcane for the general public, too... maybe something like "Songs" or "Music" would be more clear to the lowest common denominator?

(P.S. -- Have you seen Dilbert this week, the stuff about interface shock? -- I'm not at all suggesting your interface is bad, just thought you would find it funny...)

I miss Dilbert... Nope, don't get any papers delivered to me these days, gotta save my pennies, occasionally catch the odd one though when I wind up crashing at a buddies place on the weekend

But yes, it's become apparent to me that a great deal of folk don't know what 'discography' means.  It was on the basis that people looking for music would know, when I orignally put it together, but hey, I guess I thought most too bright!  Oops  Yes, it's been on the list for a while to re-arange the artists individual 'sites'.

The new interface may not be entirely designed by myself, someone has offered to help out, so it might turn out better than I can think of, who knows, it's gonna be a big job.

Yeah, I'm with boydrj and alchuck on this one - I think you could simplify the artist page so that it's easier to use and so that you get to the individually listed songs faster.  Right now the individual songs are hidden behind layers of pages and clicks.  Why not have the songs listed on the opening page for each artist?  I mean, that's what people are coming here for, right?

Secondly, I'm interested in webhosting, but frankly your prices are way beyond what the market's charging.  I'm willing to believe that what you're charging is fair for what's being offered, but I am *not* gonna pay $260, $410 or $610 for a year's webhosting when I can get it for $10 a month somewhere else.  You're pricing yourself out of the market.  I'd like to use your webhosting service for two reasons: I trust you more than the others, and I'd like to steer my web bucks to Nowhere if I can.  I'm looking for a secure webspace for works in progress, complete with passwords and a homepage.  It doesn't look like a lot to me.  Can't that be cheaper?

Well... you asked...
Here's the thing; I mostly only pay for hardware and software, and there goes my budget.
BUT...
Assuming you're looking for service charges to be gotten, there's one thing I WOULD part with bucks for.
The service of liscensing cover material for broadcast on the web.
I'd also REALLY like to listen to other people's cover songs on the web.
It'd be a lot easier for me, to find indie bands I liked, if I could just do a search for, say... "Roxy Music", and there are three NWR artists who've done numbers by 'em. With links supplied to the bands' regular site, to hear their originals as well.
"Cover City" on NWR, or something like that... Heck, I'd probably even pay for a few downloads, if they were good versions.
Yeah... I'm still a fan. I don't think there have been a lot of interesting NEW things coming out of the media machinery, but so many great numbers have already been written, it'd be a blast to hear a few!
I'll volunteer my OMD-ish version of the Association's "Cherish", if you're interested... I tried getting it liscenced a year ago, and the mails and paperwork wasn't worth the effort...
PLUS
Cover songs are a great way for unknowns to get noticed...
Hope This Helps, M.

BTW, what the hell does 'I love yaBB 1G - sp1' mean?  It's in my post above, but I never put it there.

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% of files uploaded CANNOT be done unfortuneatly from a browser.[/quote]

Hey Waldo, can't you use the old html system, like the Ultimate Bulletin Board does? If you don't know it, when you search a big forum, it shows a page saying how many hits it took up to that point, and it keeps refreshing it between x seconds. I know it sucks a little, but you can improve it usin a popup or something. Check Digidesign's board (http://duc.digidesign.com/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/ultimatebb.cgi) , they do it like that.

Cheers, Andrés

dobro, where the hell are you getting that pricing from?  Prices start at $2.50 a month, $5.00, $7.50 and $9.00.

The most expensive hosting is $14 USD a month for professional database hosting full domain hosting, etc., for sites like NoWhere Radio, I HAVE NEVER seen anybody with a price lower than that!  And besides That's NoWhere Hosting, not NoWhere Radio's prices!  I ALSO cannot compete with those companies that have a 2 Billion dollar facility at their disposal, with deals from the government for mass bandwidth.  I also don't have 2,000 sites crammed onto one server like these other hosts do, where maybe 1% of them use more than 100MB (evening out their bandwidth max's) Bandwidth really and truely costs me $5USD a GB, and I cannot price myself under that, or I would be paying for you!

The pricing I sent you a while back (about 6 months ago I believe) was the pricing of another companies, not my own!  I didn't own/run NoWhere Hosting at that time!  I believe I told you the prices would change in that e-mail as well.


M-Jam,

 That costs big $$$'s and takes up a hell of a lot of time, as you said, you gave up trying to get one cover licensed.  The big boys aren't cheap about this, they want every last penny they think they deserve and a little extra on the side.  I'd have to hire extra staff, and have quite a bit of seed money to handle all the long distance phone calls, paper work, and legal advice from real lawyers...  I might at it to the list as a future possibility, but that's a really far fetched one.

dobro, that's the name of the forum software I'm running.  If you want to change it, edit your profile.

cordura, you CANNOT do that with browser file transfers however, the user himself would have to break up the file into many different size chunks and then point the browser to each different chunk each time it refreshes (an even less efficient way to do things), which simply cannot be done in HTML code, javascript, or otherwise.  Once you tell a browser to transfer a file, it starts sending it, and does nothing until the server has recieved the whole file.  Nor can the server do anything until the whole file is sent.  

W.

hey Waldo: why don't you go the the irc chat, cause I have an idea that can be a solution for that?
/server irc.ircstorm.net    /join #homerecording

Cheers, Andrés

"dobro, where the hell are you getting that pricing from?  Prices start at $2.50 a month, $5.00, $7.50 and $9.00."

I got those prices from you, last December.  I'm glad to see the new prices - I'll check them out - I need webhosting.